How is your Portuguese? My interview with a Brazilian Planner
My Portuguese is not very good, even with that hurdle I was recently interviewed by Carlos Vilela, a Strategic Planner at Tom Comunicação in Brazil. The above chart shows the hits that this Blog has recieved from Brazil in the last 2 months and I thought the interview would be great for those readers.
Carlos runs a wonderful Blog about Culture and Marketing and has interviewed many influencial American strategic planners and translated those interviews back into Portuguese. I encourage you to visit his Blog and I'll share the interview for you in English:
1. How did you get started? Can you tell us a brief summary of your career?
I interned at JWT Los Angeles on Power Ranger Action Figures and I fell in love with advertising. Later I moved to San Francisco and worked in account planning at Publicis & Hal Riney and then switched to Tattoo Brand Consulting where I worked on brands like GAP, Glamour Magazine and Pepsi. The difference between advertising and brand consulting was the deliverable and for me I like a tangible part of culture as the end result of all my hard work.
2. How did you get into Propagation Planning?
I wanted to know what the next thing was after Connection Planning. I went to a conference at MIT called The Futures of Entertainment and interacted with some great minds and learned about earning media before you had to pay for media.
3. Give us a brief explanation on what Propagation Planning is about for those who don’t know.
Propagation Planning is a form of communications planning. It asks strategist to plan not for the people that you reach, but for the people that they reach. It asks the strategist to think about ways the message will spread after the viewer interacts with it. It asks the strategist to think about ways to earn media before you pay for media. It asks the strategist to start with the brand advocates and give them social currency to share upcoming information and buzz before it goes to the masses.
4. What's the role of propagation planning in advertising?
If your agency is an Agency of Record your client likely relies on you to help them with communications planning, organizing the promotions calendar and the initiatives that get supported with media. Media Planning is about Reach and Frequency. Connection Planning is about Relevance and Context. Propagation Planning is about Buzz and Advocacy.
5. What is its connection with regular account planning and what is its role on the planning structure on an agency?
Propagation Planning started at Naked Communications and they spun off a social media agency in Sydney called The Population that actually employs propagation planners. I think Propagation Planning is a tool that Account Planners can use when they are planning the annual communication plan for their client and when they write briefs. At this point it is a philosophy at most agencies and not a department, but that could change one day.
6. What do you do in your daily job as a planner?
I have all the typical planner responsibilities from writing briefs, running research projects and performing competitive audits. My agency also gives me time to run my Blog, which allows me to think beyond my day job and help influence where our industry is going. I also seek out vendor partners that can help the agency get more involved with Propagation Planning.
7. How do you see the future of this discipline?
Propagation Planning will be more impactful as clients integrate social media into their marketing plans. It allows for brands to have both Awareness driving plans and Buzz driving plans. The future of the discipline will be a hybrid of digital and video production, strategic planning and copy writing and these individuals will manage communities of brand advocates through Blogs, Facebook, Ning and/or Twitter. They will seed story-lines with advocates, engage in brand dialog through campaign narratives and crowd source insight that will impact product innovation for future campaigns.
8. How do you think brands can connect to people?
Often brands market to people based on what the company wants to sell, not what people want to buy. I think brands will start to walk away from traditional NPD processes and ask advocates to help them create a better experience (i.e. My Starbucks Idea). If consumers are the new brand managers they need a place where they can voice their ideas and change the brand to better serve them. Tools like Twitter and Crowd Sourcing will help brands enter this world.
9. What are your thoughts emotional connections between people and brands?
At my agency, 22squared, we believe that brands need to treat their customers like friends. This means that brands must have chemistry, remain authentic, act transparent, spend quality time, share a point of view and inspire each other. You can read more on this here: http://www.slideshare.net/brandonmurphy/the-friendship-model
10. Do you believe in brand loyalty? What should a brand do to get to this point?
Yes, brand loyalty does exist and we call it brand advocacy at my agency. Advocates buy more, talk more and recommend more. Brands need to measure the number of advocates they have minus the number of critics they have and keep tracking those numbers. They need to engage their advocates in their decisions and run the company for them (not for themselves).
11. In your opinion, how a planner should deal with the other 3 P's of Marketing, besides Promotion?
Price - Find a market that will pay more for your product. One of our clients, Florida's Natural Orange Juice discovered that Dubai will pay premium prices for orange juice. Fosters discovered that America will drink a beer that Australians won't touch.
Place - I like the idea of taking media to places where the consumer is, not where media is traditionally sold. Planners can also craft a better brand story which helps the sales team open new distribution channels.
Product - Planners have a duty to bring new product ideas to their clients and base those ideas in consumer insight.
12. Are you into marketing metrics? How do they aggregate to your work as a planner? How do you measure the effects of propagation?
I think all agencies are being forced to discover metrics that will help them do good work and achieve communication objectives. For Propagation Planning I like to use a free tool called Social Mention.com or pay for social media monitoring from companies like Radian 6 or Collective Intellect. You can also use partners like New Media Solutions or Neighborhood America to help seed and monitor propagation campaigns.
13. What do you know about brazilian advertising (we know you´ve been here) and what do you think of it?
Actually I have never been to Brazil but I know the APG is growing there. One of my favorite campaigns is by Santa Clara Nitro, "Is it possible to measure 12-million-people town's happiness?" The 'Is Rio Happy?' campaign leveraged a spectacular bill board in Rio, online and mobile interaction to update a happy face that changes based on the mood of the people. I also happen to know that W+K San Paulo has a fireman's pole in the agency and I'm very jealous of that! I think the next group of great planners will come from Brazil and Sweden. The planners that I have met from Brazil are great storytellers which will make them strong transmedia planners.
14. Who are your references (idols, mentors, authors, friends, other planners, etc) on the issue?
Faris Yakob (McCann), Julian Coles (The Population), Ian Schafer (Deep Focus), Ivan Askwith (Big Spaceship), Jim Elms (Grey), Henry Jenkins (MIT) and Ben Malbon (BBH Labs). Most of these people are not trained Account Planners but they are brilliant media, digital or storytelling strategists.
15. Last, but no least, what practical tip would you give to the planners that are starting their carreers right now?
Blog and Tweet. It's very important to share your ideas and inspire others at your agency on what good creative is. As a planner people look for you to be infected with culture and blazing a progressive trail so the agency can remain relevant and marketable. Post comments on other blogs to show your interest and extend your network beyond Brazil.


